Episode 989: Land Acknowledgements Versus Truth Acknowledgements
Air Date: November 4, 2026 | Hosts: Bob Metz and Robert Vaughan
Clip (Ugly Betty S03E09):
Hi, Mark.
Mark isn't in right now, but if you leave your name and number, he'll never speak to you again, you odious sea cow Betty.
Okay. Look, I know you must be disappointed, but for whatever it's worth, I really liked your presentation. It was really good.
Only about a thousand times better than yours.
Okay, well, I don't know about that. Look, maybe the judges just saw how much I wanted it. You know how much I want to be an editor.
You're right, because I don't want to be an editor. I didn't go to FIT or spend a summer abroad studying menswear in Milan, or spend the last four years of my life slaving for the best creative director in the industry.
Okay, well, clearly you wanted it. Look, maybe they disliked my concept better, or who knows why they would pick me.
What?
Nothing, forget it.
No, what, Mark?
You really think that what you did in two days is better than what I spent three months working on. You really gonna make me say it?
Say what?
You help them meet their quota.
What are you talking about?
I mean they picked you, Betty Suarez of Queens. Because you're Latina. You're the token ethnic girl.
What? They picked me. That doesn't even—wow, Mark. You have said a lot of really ugly things to me in the past, but that is by far and away the ugliest.
I'm sorry, Betty. It may be ugly, but it's the truth.
Bob Metz:
Welcome everyone. It is Wednesday, November 4th, 2026. I'm Bob Metz.
Robert Vaughan:
And I'm Robert Vaughan.
Bob Metz:
And this is Just Right, broadcasting around the world and online.
Robert Vaughan:
Join us for an hour of discussion that's not great wing. It's Just Right.
Bob Metz:
Status by race seems to be the popular leftist flavor of the day. This past week, Robert got together with our guest, Jim McMurtry, to discuss that very issue as it relates to Canada's so-called indigenous peoples and to the racist land acknowledgments that our schools and public institutions must blindly recite at official meetings and events. Now, as usual, their original discussion included other issues that far exceeded our broadcast time constraints. But you can always view their entire unedited video conversation on one of Just Right's video platforms.
On today's broadcast version, we'll be zeroing in on the significance of land acknowledgments, and on our guest himself today, right after our reminder that you can write us at feedback@justrightmedia.org. Hear us on WBCQ and on Channel 292 Shortwave. Follow and like us on your favorite podcast platform, and visit us at justrightmedia.org, where you can access all of our social media links, archived broadcasts, and the support button that makes it easy for you to support the show. Because as always, your financial support is appreciated and is what makes this show possible.
Robert Vaughan:
Our guest today is Jim McMurtry. Hello, Jim.
Jim McMurtry:
Hello, nice to be with you, Robert.
Robert Vaughan:
Jim is a longtime British Columbian educator and an author and a political candidate. He's become known nationally after he was suspended and eventually fired for comments he made, challenging official doctrine on residential schools and the 2021 Kamloops claims as outrageous as they are.
He holds a master's degree in educational history with a focus on Indian education policy. So, Jim, could you please tell us your story? Perhaps beginning with the troubles that you had back in May of 2021 while teaching in Abbotsford.
Jim McMurtry:
Well, I would say during the time I did my master's, I worked with Robert Carney, who was Mark Carney's father. And he only had positive things to say about residential schools. Not that they were perfect, but it was a good idea. How do we make them better? Because otherwise these kids, the 15% of the children who were unable to get to a nearby day school or have a school on their reserve, had no other choice.
I afterwards did a PhD at the University of Toronto, educational theory and with related subjects. So I felt when I was teaching in Abbotsford all these years later, that I was competently fit to speak up because they were, as you know, lying to the kids about 215 child remains bodies found in an apple orchard in Kamloops. And when I said that, that was the end of me. I haven't taught since. And I'm still fighting.
So in the recent election, I ran for trustee as well as, because they're dual elections in British Columbia, as well as for MLA. I was just continuously accosted by people, including today. I was called from a sleep on the nearby reserve, and just some really choice words to say for me. And I've always tried to take a gentlemanly approach and just say that for me, I'm just trying to get at the truth. So it's a very serious thing when teachers are required to lie to students.
Robert Vaughan:
For sure, and they call you a denier, and anybody who questions the official doctrine on the Kamloops issue is called a denier. But from what I see and from my perspective, they're the ones who are denying the truth.
Jim McMurtry:
Well, thank you. And we're talking as well, Murray Sinclair talked about as many as 25,000 or more kids that were missing and disappeared from these schools. 25,000. But we know the number is zero, because there was never any parent saying, "My child never came back." There was, of course, no evidence of murder and the Truth and Reconciliation Report never talked about murder.
It's just really quite extraordinary because Canada changed after that. The federal government brought in UNDRIP, as you know. And a very serious, to me, demonstration of how important this was to the virtue signalers at the top of all our institutions: they put the flag down for 161 days. The second longest time in history was 10 days for our beloved Queen Elizabeth II. So this is something that was preposterous, not only in what it was saying, but the extent that it continues to exist. And then a year later, there was a vote in Parliament and unanimously passed, said that Canada was a genocidal state.
Robert Vaughan:
Just a bit of background, then, Jim, if I could. If I've set the stage for those who may not know about the Kamloops, let me call it a hoax. Because without any bodies, it is a hoax, and certainly a lot of the claims are outrageously and false. So back in May of 2021, an anthropologist by the name of Sarah Beaulieu, if I'm pronouncing her name correctly, from the University of the Fraser Valley, did some ground penetrating radar, a survey of an old apple orchard at the Kamloops residential Indian school, and came up with 215 anomalies. Not saying what they were, but they were simply anomalies. Now you can have an anomaly from your septic tank field. You can have an anomaly if you go in your backyard and dig up the dirt and then put it back together, from your old vegetable patch. That's an anomaly.
And so what people did with that, including the chief, Roseanne Casimir, said was that that is confirmation of the remains of 215 children who were students of the Kamloops Indian Residential School. Some of the press, now, if people go to your channel, they'll see a collage of press with outrageous claims right off the bat that this was a mass grave, that these were bodies of murdered children by the nuns and priests who ran the residential school. Outrageous falsehoods, simply from ground penetrating radar anomalies.
I can understand why you, as an educator, an educated man with children in your charge, would when this is brought up in school as it was—they brought it up, you didn't, from what I understand. You would simply say the facts, which is that most of these children died from natural causes, meaning disease. Tuberculosis was rampant at that time.
So I can understand why you would do that. And I feel for you having to go through the nonsense you've had to go through for simply first of all, expressing an opinion, and two, an opinion that seems to be substantiated by fact and countering hype and emotion and hatred and violence. This is getting so bad that you, when you go out on the street with your "end land acknowledgments" claim poster, you're flanked by police, not because of what you're saying, but because your opponents are known to be violent.
Jim McMurtry:
And if I could just add a couple of things, it was just one non-Indigenous woman who did this GPR scan of this area. There were never any children that died at the school, or died in any residential school in a normal circumstance.
It was just such a rare thing.
And the reason being is if children had a disease like Spanish flu or earlier smallpox, particularly as you said, tuberculosis, they'd be put in a hospital. And some would be if it was, they had very little no chance of recovery, then they may be put back in their home reserve, in their home. But the people, they didn't have people sitting in a classroom doing math right up to the moment they died. There is no evidence that the Kamloops Indian Residential School—and this is what happened after the Truth and Reconciliation Commission ended in 2015. It transformed into what's called the National Centre for Truth and Reconciliation, and they said that there were 51 kids that died at the school. And I looked at the list, and there were four repetitions, so there was 47, and only two died at the school, and that was an unusual thing, but they didn't die anything to do with a school. One died nearby playing a game called Hangman with other boys, and sadly asphyxiated himself, and the other, and his name was Adrian George, and the other was a girl named Pearl Joe who drowned in the river.
And then a few years later, they built an Olympic-sized swimming pool at the school. This is a school where there's international trips, where there's dance clubs and reunions and 200 different sports teams over its life. It had all sorts of facilities, it had a farm, had all these things. It also had the pool, and the pool was again so no other child would die.
The men and women, the Oblate priests and the Sisters of St. Anne who worked at that school, were as one would imagine people who were dedicating their lives to help these kids get a leg up in a modern world. And most of them wouldn't have had any other opportunity if there wasn't the residential school. Now, some in Kamloops lived on the reserve. So they didn't even sleep in the residences.
So at a lot of residential schools, there were not only non-indigenous kids, children of teachers, for example, but there were also kids who were day students.
Another thing is the people working at these residential schools, of which there were 143 over 113 years, the majority were indigenous in most of these schools because the cooks, the cleaners, the janitors, the residents supervisors, the people that worked in the farm, the people who—there were obviously this is employment for the local population. The school-age population were out of residentials, 15%. So most they did find day schools. And for a long time, people were saying no, it's a third. No, it was 15% on average.
And many of them were orphans or kids that didn't have the necessities of life or who are being abused, or other things that were maybe in some cases the family just couldn't cope. They could have, and there was no birth control, as you know, for fairly recent generations, and they could have had 15-20 children.
These residential schools were child services before government began. And now in Manitoba, 90% of the kids that are seized by our government are indigenous, 90% today. And no one's fighting about that because the indigenous people today know that those children needed to be put in foster homes because they were not receiving what they needed to be. And governments, if they don't do, they get sued.
Clip (Isaac Simpson's Flying Circus, September 30 2026):
The definition of the word propaganda is the deliberate spreading of misleading, biased or one-sided information.
The definition of the word prison is a secure building or institute made by the government to confine people as punishment.
Now, the definition of the word school is an institution or building designed to provide a learning environment. Sound kind of similar, don't they?
Now what happens when you merge propaganda and jail together?
At my school, we, like many others, have to take a course on BC First Peoples in order to graduate. We also had an assembly today discussing truth and reconciliation. Today I'm exposing what is being taught in schools.
So I thought what was shared today was brilliant. It means that reconciliation is apt, is alive, it's dynamic, and it's really deeply rooted in community. So thank you so much for what you shared with us today.
After getting released from one, it's straight to the next.
They gave us that image in class. Just look at it for a second. I mean, this is this really what they think was going on all the time when settlers arrived. No war, no nothing like that. No, it was just instant pick, pick, pick, pick, pick them all, put them in residential school.
Who would this be?
A mother.
A mother and?
A child.
A child. Right? And a red uniform guide. Who are they?
RCMP.
The RCMP, relatively nothing. Is it possible that this is what it looks like? I don't know. I don't know.
You don't know? How could you not know? That's your job as a teacher. Your job as a teacher is to know. That's a very bad response. Could you imagine asking your parent when you're really young? Could you imagine asking your parent, can I eat glue? I don't know. Like, no, you have to know that.
This is also the same teacher who said when Christopher Columbus arrived in the new continent, he thought that he was in India, and that's where the term Indian, as in Red Indian came from. Well, it's just categorically not true. She was either mistaken or more deviously lying to us, but that could be possible.
Christopher Columbus arrived in what he thought was East Asia, not India, East Asia, as in China, Shanghai, the modern day equivalent. That sort of area. Not India. That's a little mistake, but it does matter when you're trying to teach truth and reconciliation.
George Carlin:
Labels divide people, and I think we could probably do with fewer labels, not more.
Now, one more group, the Indians. I call them Indians because that's what they are. They're the Indians. There's nothing wrong with the word. First of all, it's important to know that Indian, that word probably does not derive from Columbus believing he had reached India in 1492. India was called Hindustan. More likely the word derives from Columbus's description of the people he found here. He was an Italian who spoke very poor Spanish, and in his written accounts, he called the Indians "una gente in Dios," a people in God. In God, Indios, Indians. It's a perfectly noble thing.
And I simply can't justify this awkward phrase Native Americans. First of all, they're not natives. They came here from Asia over the Bering Land Bridge. In fact, there are no natives anywhere in the world. Everyone is from somewhere else.
Robert Vaughan:
Now you've actually written a book about your trials with the school board and your suspension and firing. Do you want to tell us about it? The Scarlet Lesson.
Jim McMurtry:
Okay, so very quickly. So there was, as you know, the Scarlet Letter, a woman by mistake, she ends up in a relationship with a man while being married, she thought her husband was long dead or in another continent, and she was forced to wear scarlet letter.
Robert Vaughan:
Nathaniel Hawthorne, was it not?
Jim McMurtry:
Yeah, Hawthorne, that's right.
Robert Vaughan:
And the A stood for adulteress.
Jim McMurtry:
That's right.
Yeah. And so the moment I said something against the narrative, then I thought that I had a letter on me, that I was done. That there was no way of getting it. My union was completely against me, my regulatory body, the government and other ways, and certainly my employer. That there was nobody on my side, and I was never gonna get work again in the public school system, and that's true, and I never will. But there they just can't believe I said what I did.
And of course, 10 years from now, if this comes up, people are gonna go, how could people ever lie to kids for a decade, for two decades about all these things. The idea of bearing false witness against men and women and all these residential schools, of which they were probably thousands of people being remembered as murderers without a speck of evidence.
So this is serious. So I wrote my book is just simply play on that scarlet lesson. It was one lesson, and then I was done. And so that was my black spot that the pirates put on somebody that they were going to eliminate. It's just a matter of time a regulatory body is going to take away my certificate.
So it's been a long fight, it's been five and a half years. I'm still fighting my cases in the—I don't think my book tells my case, so I don't think there's anything I need more to say there, but my case is in the Supreme Court of British Columbia. And it's being argued by people pro bono in the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms, and it took me over five years to get that help. So up until then, without a salary at a time that my wife with cancer can't work. We weren't quite sure how we were going to do a lot of things. And I certainly couldn't afford lawyers, and yet it all kind of worked out for us. And I think the example that I'm setting, I hope I'm setting when I learned that I was fired for this, and everyone was saying, "You're suggesting indigenous elders are liars and all these terrible things. How dare you? You're evil, you're wicked." And unless I retract what I said, then it's the hill I was gonna die on. And then I made up my mind very quickly on that it would also be the hill in which I did my best teaching.
And so my book has sold over 900 copies, and I've had many articles and I've been in books and I've contributed to one big book recently called Dead Wrong, which is the successor of Grave Error. So I've had greater influence by saying no, I'm not going to bend. I'm going to stick to the truth.
And most recently, and thank you for mentioning it, I did something that a lot of people thought I was crazy, is I insisted with my campaign team, which is small anyway, that for much of the campaign I was going to be by myself. And I went and stood in busy intersections where all sorts of people, sometimes I'm by highway and being threatened, people getting out of their cars and running toward me, all sorts of things, just with "end land acknowledgments."
Yeah. And I didn't bend. And I think I ended up getting a lot of respect for that with land acknowledgements when I run politically on three different occasions. That two of them I walked out, and most recently I turned my back on it. And I'm just saying, no, no, I'm just never in my life am I going to do a land acknowledgement.
Robert Vaughan:
You've called them undemocratic and factually misleading. So this again goes against the denialism. I mean, you're looking at land acknowledgments. We have them here too in New Brunswick. Every part of the country is covered by different agreements with the Crown.
Here it's the Peace and Friendship Treaty, I believe it's called. And people get it wrong all the time when they're saying that you're on unceded territory of such and such tribe who have title to it. True, they have never ceded title to some lands in the Maritimes, but that doesn't mean that they have a right to your house. Because you have title to that in that particular instance.
And all land in Canada is governed by the Crown, all of it, even the reserves, have been reserved for the—I call them Paleoamerids. They're not indigenous.
Believe it or not, there's actually one chief out there I saw saying that they sprung from the land. That they're indigenous—that's what the word indigenous means from the Latin. And I was thinking to myself, this is not right. I mean, we've gone through native, I'm native. I was born in Canada, so I'm native. We've gone through Indian, a bit of a misnomer. We've gone through indigenous, factually incorrect.
Give me a word that will identify who they are. They are the descendants of the ancient peoples who came from Beringia to colonize the Americas. So Paleoamerid, Id means descendant of Paleo Ancient. You and I are Neoamerids. The only other people who may be Canadian or who may not fit into those two terms are the people who just got off the plane in Toronto or Vancouver and are becoming Canadian citizens. They're neither the descendants of the ancient or the new immigrants.
We're all the same race. The human race. And this distinction of, well, we were sprung from the land. This is nonsense, and we have to get over it if we're ever going to survive as a nation, and which I argue is probably never going to survive anyway. It'll fall apart.
Jim McMurtry:
Well, but that you're absolutely right. I'll tell you right now, I'm not going to over my dead body.
And I'm going to add to what you said. Over my dead body, am I going to have anyone tell me that they have senior title to my house?
Secondly, over my dead body, is anyone gonna say that other people have senior title over the parks, the roads, the air, the water. A lot of the in and in BC where 300% of the land mass is being claimed over all because of all the overlapping claims. They're after not just water, but they're after the air. And so it's not good enough in my view to talk about protecting private property.
You are absolutely right. If you look closely at any of these treaties, including recent ones, that never says that Canada, that these people are sovereign states, they are part of the Canadian state. And yet we're so close to seeing that happen.
And two quick examples have been made where I live in Tsawwassen in Southern Vancouver, right on the American border, where you get the ferries to Vancouver Island. There's a band that's got an incredibly generous treaty. It had a mall built, it sold the mall to the Chinese. The Chinese now have a big footprint right where I live. This is absolutely absurd. What we're moving toward.
Then there's Haida Gwaii, where the people are saying we now have all of these islands, Queen Charlotte Islands, including places that we never inhabited. And they're saying that oh no, people can have their private property, but we can buy it from them. So it's just a matter of time. When they're gonna say to people, "Oh, by the way, we've changed your water bill, your water bill. We've seen this many times. Your water bill is now 50,000 a year." And people go, well, I can't pay it. What do you mean? Well, then I guess you're gonna have to sell.
So what they're doing is they're saying it is all ours, and their goal is to be sovereign nations. If you say as our previous premier did the Haida Gwaii control. This is all we'll call it Haida Gwaii, the how to control all this land, and nobody else can vote on important decisions on their lives if you're non-indigenous, which is half the population.
You said so wisely, Robert. There's no way the non-indigenous, which are 98% of the population in BC, are gonna put up with this. What you're going to do is you're gonna fracture the province, you're gonna fracture the country, and people are saying, oh, well, no, we just need to do this or do that.
No, you get rid of the Indian Act, you get rid of Section 35, you establish what you said. The Canadian is the Canadian is the Canadian. And there's nothing about that that is anything that's conditional or uncategorical. This is categorical. I'm sorry, uncategorical. This is uncategorical. We are all equal, and that is in our constitution in the Charter of Rights, particularly Section 15A.
Clip (Rebel News, October 13 2026, Drea Humphrey, Isaac Simpson):
British Columbian teenage boy has been suspended indefinitely, it seems, after he exposed reconciliation propaganda that was taking place at his high school in the lower mainland.
Do not be afraid to use the term land back.
That teenager's name is Isaac Simpson.
Every child matters, except those in the womb and those killed by Lindsay Clancy. Black people matter. The only people who don't matter are you. You don't matter to these people.
Here is the man of the hour, and we are not at your school, we're across the school. What do you make of that not being allowed to go back in?
Yeah, I've been suspended, until the videos taken down was their sort of recommendation. And so I'm not allowed to go on school premises, which is kind of annoying because I would have liked to talk to my teachers.
And you received this letter essentially saying you're kind of suspended in a way indefinitely until you take it down. Why are you not taking it down?
I'm not taking it down because I stand by what I said. So I do feel like my two videos are really important because the material in schools is not being shown to people, it's not on websites. My father emailed the school, and he only got a wishy-washy response in return. So parents have no way of figuring out what is being taught in schools. So we have to know what's being taught, and that's why the videos have to remain up, and that's why I had to record.
Clip (Ugly Betty S03E09):
Surprise!
You're in the Yeti.
Guys, no, no, no, it's not really a good time right now.
But I brought the Capitol Tada.
Oh my god! Guys, I don't feel like celebrating right now.
Why? What's wrong?
Mark told me that the only reason Yeti accepted me is because I'm Latina.
Sounds like sour grapes to me.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, I called, and they didn't exactly deny it.
Okay, that's why you got in. You got in.
I care.
Look, you gotta take every advantage you get in this life.
Betty, it doesn't matter. When your mom and I came to this country, we wanted to start a better life.
Oh, here goes the young immigrants story.
All over the city. I look for work as a chef, but nobody would hire me. One guy told me flat out, Puerto Ricans don't touch the food. You can wash the dishes. I said, I'm not Puerto Rican, I'm Mexican. You know what he said to me? Even worse.
Poppy, look.
All I'm saying is if being Mexican helped this time, then good. Take it.
No, Papi. I want it to be accepted because I earned it.
Bob Metz:
You're listening to Just Right, broadcasting around the world and online. And our conversation with Jim McMurtry continues.
Robert Vaughan:
I think you're bringing up an interesting point, and that is that a lot of what's going on is creating division, but it's also doing the rank and file, if you will. And I will use the term indigenous because my term is yet to come into common parlance. But anyway, the rank and file of the indigenous in BC and the rest of the country are being maligned. And their case is not being helped when you have chiefs and people who are after the money, and we can get into that 17 million dollars to continue the investigation with the Kamloops issue. It's an industry.
But the people, the rank and file on the reserves, or even in the town, are not being done well by when their leaders are out there basically saying give it all to us, because we were here first, which you weren't, you're a descendant of the original colonizers, you're not the original colonizers. So to your point, yes, we are one race, and these people are doing a disservice, not just to you and I, but to their own people.
Jim McMurtry:
Well, I love that you're saying that because I think academically here, there are many parents that now come into the school system and said, "Oh, my child's autistic, my child suffers from anxiety," or my child, and one thing after another, and not that these are real disorders or complexes or challenges, but it's inflated. There's all these kids right now who have need special things, and there's a reason why they can't hand their essay or write their exam, and not that there's many of those anymore in the school system.
And you realize, I look at my own kid. The moment you give a child that crutch, the moment you say to an indigenous person, well, you don't actually have to get into law school, you don't have to write the LSAT, you don't have to get a degree, you don't have to get a certain mark. As soon as you start saying that that no, everything for you is a backdoor. You don't have to work hard, you don't have to have books in the home, you don't have to have your kids staying away from some of the temptations in their teenage years. No, no, no. We're going to arrange that for you.
So you're going to base on this idea that you have being on the top podium in the victimhood Olympics. And it's just so awful. And I just want to say one point because I think it's an interesting anecdote that I badly broke my leg in the last year of high school playing football. And I couldn't go to school for four and a half months. My leg had to be reconstructed. And when I went there, it was two weeks before the final exam. And I went in and I spoke to the headmaster, and I said, they're talking about exams and so forth, and what am I to do during exams? And the headmaster said to me, "Well, you're writing them." And I said, how I'm, I've been in class, how am I gonna do it? And he said, "Well, you could have been working. You're gonna write them." And he liked me. And he was a friend of my father's. Almost immediately, I thought, this guy knows what he's talking about.
Life is not easy. So you need to strengthen people, you need to make sure people that they can deal with adversity and get up when they're hit. And this idea of what we're doing right now in the school system particular is creating this idea of an indigenous person, which in most cases is of course there's Siberian migrants, many of them, but some have no connection whatsoever with that. Because some of them came north from the more quite recently, like the Iroquois or the Sioux. Some of them have no indigenous blood whatsoever, such as the Chief John Thunder and Buffalo Point in Manitoba.
You've got so much that's just untrue about this, but just if we can put that aside for a second, just think the best thing to do for indigenous people is to say to them, no, you don't need to have your own department in every high school where you get to go and have free food and all these things and a tutor and get out of class if you're not understanding something.
No, no, no, we're not going to do that for you because that's going to make you into somebody who is never going to be able to compete with everybody else. There are times where it just doesn't seem fair, but we learn from that.
And so I think the indigenous policy in Canada is incredibly destructive, first and foremost to indigenous people.
Robert Vaughan:
Yeah, that there's that's the irony, isn't it?
I watched a bit of the campaign in British Columbia, and there was one lady from OneBC, the party you ran for, who had an excellent idea. Your party's position on reservations in BC is quite remarkable. And I'm surprised it's not getting a lot more play.
She said that as a federal employee, she had gone around to many of the reserves and noticed that the billions upon billions of dollars that is being funneled to the chiefs and the councils is not reaching the rank and file. She'll swear to that. It's all going into the pockets of these people who are corrupt.
I don't know if that's all of them. Probably not, because people are people. There's good and there's bad.
So her solution or OneBC's solution was to create municipalities. Do you want to tell a little bit more about OneBC's solution to this problem?
Jim McMurtry:
Well, thank you for that. I just would like to first challenge that notion. Not from you. The notion of because I hear it all the time that the chiefs are the ones that are benefiting. And my father used to say that starting 30 years ago, 40 years ago.
There's a chief who has a big role, the top chief in British Columbia named Stewart Phillip. When in 2014, his salary was 900,000 and for 914,000 tax-free. So almost two million dollars compared to everybody else. That was again 12 years ago. And since then, nobody has any idea what he makes.
And so are chiefs profiting, yes, there's whispers about some of the chiefs now being billionaires. So we don't know how much these chiefs are making. There's no accountabilities.
And it's not just their salary, it's their everything, it's like the local mafia now. Every time someone wants to have gold mine or cut down trees on the reserve or whatever, there's all this hidden money that's being, palms are being greased over that.
And then there's investments. The chiefs have so much money that they're investing in all sorts of things. Nobody has any idea. I'm sure many and I'm sure they all have a high level accountancy and investment portfolios that I mean, we have no idea what they're making. They've just been given huge amounts of money.
So the band that lives closest to me, there's 400 people on the reserve, and just selling its mall, just its mall, they got 400 million, and so that instantly made everybody in the reserve millionaires.
And but that's just a small fraction. They've got Walmart, they've got Amazon, they've got every big company you can imagine, particularly American company. They get money for the ferry terminal goes through that there's this big Chinese ships that come in with Robert's bank and drop their cargo. They're just anyhow, they're wealthy, very wealthy.
So I take yes, yes, yes, chiefs are many of them are really wealthy, particularly those who've invested wisely or are sitting on wealthy land. And if you're near Vancouver and you owned a lot of land, like the band near me the Tsawwassen, you're fabulously wealthy, and you always will be that way. And the Musqueam in Vancouver. I mean, this is not,
So the second point of that part of that is a lot of that does seek down to the rank and file. So I take issue with the notion that the rank and file in Canada aren't benefiting. There are many of them that have more money than they'll ever know what to do with, particularly if you can think in the oil patch. Imagine being near Fort McMurray and in northern Alberta, how much money is in the pockets of some of Canada's wealthiest bands.
And then of course, there's ones that are able to have casinos and other businesses that no one else is allowed to have.
But yes, there's corruption at the top, absolutely it's wrong. But the important thing is I look at again the way I was as a teacher, and the way I've tried to be as a parent and grandparent. And that is it's no good to give one group of people an advantage. And I think the indigenous people by being handed all this cash, as you know, it's the name if you look on AI, it's not the 40 million, 40 billion a year, the two federal departments. It's in the neighborhood of if you include all compensation in a year, free tuition, free this and no taxes. The really the contribution, the amount of money they're getting in a year varies between 60 to 100 billion a year for a small part of the population that is a mixed race and ancestry.
Leah Gazan, you talked earlier, wants to put people like me in jail, and then you, if you listen to this podcast, you'd want you in jail too. And she's less than one eighth indigenous. And yet she's indigenous, I mean, this is just such a con game. And so OneBC is this small little party didn't do well in the election, but I think it awakened people in Canada, particularly it's a film called Making a Killing, that recognizing how many there's law firms in BC that do nothing, do absolutely nothing but work with indigenous people to sue us. And then they get the government to pay for them to for them to sue the government and to sue the taxpayer. And it's just this incredible thing.
There was one case of any bills, half a billion dollar legal bill is the biggest of all.
But so this is a very serious problem. But I just love to keep it simple. As we're both doing in this regard, and that is quite apart from what the people who are virtuous signaling, you say, look, you want to leave political office, like BC's premier David Eby. And look what I did for indigenous people. I rewrote history, I gave them the province, and now everybody else is gonna have to pay rent to them, and be worse off. What's it's just that no way can you have a society work well if you are creating a reified apartheid, if you're bringing importing what South Africa was so considered so odious for doing, and that was based on ancestry, based on skin color that you're giving very different rights to the people.
Clip (Rebel News, October 13 2026, Drea Humphrey, Isaac Simpson):
I'm gonna continue to make political videos in the future, partly because now I see the teachers don't like it. So I must be doing something right.
Let's talk about the why. What was it that made you come up with this plan to go ahead and expose what truth and reconciliation day was going to be like for your school?
I'm in grade 11, so it's my third year at the school that we shall not mention. And I got really sick of all the indoctrination being pushed down students' throats, and no one seemed to stand up, no one seemed to spoke out and do something about it. They're all too passive.
The reason I had decided, yes, I have got to make this video is because the teacher threw up this image of Catholic people tearing indigenous children away from their mothers. And I thought it was just totally vilifying Christianity. I thought they did a horrible job in teaching, they were just telling you what to think, not how to think. So I from that moment onwards, I knew I got to post this video because that's gold.
Clip (Ugly Betty S03E09):
Here. You're in.
What?
You were right. Your presentation was better. So I dropped out and you're in.
Betty, are you crazy? I have been discriminated against my whole life. If I was given an advantage like you, I would take it and run with it.
Mark, at the end of the day, you deserved it more. And I could just apply next year. Mark, just please, before I change my mind.
I'm sorry for the things that I said yesterday. I hope you don't think I'm a racist. Just so you know, some of the hottest guys I've ever dated have been Latino.
You're welcome.
Thank you.
Jim McMurtry:
So this is just again, just explain to the people here. You're looking at an ordinary guy, an anonymous guy, but I did something in this last election that didn't get many votes, 3.3% of the votes in my riding, which is still twice what my party got, but it's pretty small. And people have mocked me for doing so low.
But what I have showed to people by turning my back in the land acknowledgement and getting hundreds of thousands of posts for doing that, because I'm on X. And then walking through the streets and said walking intersections, walking by the highway, is I have showed people that this is serious. And the number of people honking for me increased every day.
And I think Canadians have to stop being polite or whatever they're trying to be, or moralistically performative. That Canadians have to understand here that you can never help anybody as a country if you don't have that country anymore.
The moment you assign all these rights, whether it's in the Maritimes or in British Columbia to people who up until recently were hunter-gatherers, who are for the most part still dependent. There's some exceptions, but most of them are fully or are largely dependent on government handouts. If you are saying that it's now their knowledge, it's their knowledge of the past, it's their knowledge of how the future should be, and it's in their hands, and it's for their sake. And if you want to do anything, you have to quietly again give them money. I'm thinking this is absolute insanity.
You have to Canadians right now have to say everything's done. There's no exceptions for any race. I think they do with anything but merit and competition and fairness, everything's gone. People just have to have that attitude. And so what I'm doing wherever I am, and it drives people crazy sometimes. But they know about me that I'm completely uncompromising, and I would be working today. I would be considered to be a good guy again today. If there are other Canadians who do the same thing.
Don't put up with it. Don't put up with a land acknowledgement anywhere. Don't put up with any DEI hiring, don't put up with anybody saying terrible things about our ancestors.
I'm just the Canadians, we could end this so quickly if we just all said the woke, you know that you are the propagandists of the probably the most evil religion that's anyone ever invented because this is what it's doing is trying to not just destroy Canada, it's trying to destroy all the Western values since the Enlightenment since Magna Carta in 1215. The idea that everybody is equal in some important ways, and we built on that equal in worth and dignity. The serf who had owns nothing, has some rights that the king cannot interfere with.
We have such an incredible achievement as a global society, and that emanated from Western Europe. And of course, Western Europe inherited things from the Greeks and the Romans, the Egyptians, and they from the area of Syrians and Mesopotamia, I mean then them from long people long before that. For really from the beginning, that humans were able to think and reflect that we know that we're building something better and better. And here we are in 2026, that we're arguing or talking about things is complete and utter absurdity, trying to figure out what additional or superior rights people who are in many cases zero indigenous should have over everybody else. Folks, they should have nothing over anybody else.
Robert Vaughan:
I don't know if you're familiar with Marc Emery being in BC.
He's a friend.
Marc and I go back about 40 years with the Freedom Party of Ontario in Ontario in London. And you reminded me of him because uncompromising, well spoken, won't take guff. Wonderful, and we need more people like you.
So I'm always curious, Jim, how does this garner so much support from the major populace? Because it does. If you talk to the person on the street, as I'm sure you have, while you will meet people who agree with you, there's a lot that disagree. The mainstream media disagree, the institutions disagree, your college, teachers' college disagrees, your union disagrees, the BC government disagrees, everybody in officialdom disagrees with your and my point of view.
And I put it down to two things really, and they're both emotions. One is fear, and the other is greed. We talked about greed there for a moment, but the fear component. You were somewhat fortunate, I guess, in that as you say, you had 40 years of teaching, and right now, okay, you're not going to be teaching again, as you describe yourself as old. So there's not a lot left for you to lose. As a matter of fact, I think you're gaining, you're gaining a great reputation for a person who's steadfast, who has integrity and was willing to stay up or stand up for the truth. So it's a plus to you, not a loss.
So can you put yourself in the shoes of a young teacher who has to go along with this nonsense? Or not just teachers, any walk of life in any industry, in any corporate office, having land acknowledgments, having to deal with DEI, being afraid to open your mouth for fear of reprisal. I mean, we're living under a pall of fear the more this continues. Would you agree?
Jim McMurtry:
Well, you've said that so beautifully. Absolutely. I have all sorts of people on daily basis or through the election, telling me that I'm fighting for them.
Yes, I'm in a position where I can't because they took my job away. I am old enough to put aside enough money, and I recognize early on in this that you're absolutely right. Why would I want to cast shame on my parents and my children on my grandchildren who are coming of age, why would I want them to think there's something wrong with me? So it's really hard to separate oneself from the herd.
And the second thing you talked about greed, the way I see it is it is a form of chauvinism of self-interest, of self-promotion. But I think we all want to see ourselves as good, and we do that by putting other people down. We do, we lift ourselves up by putting other people down. That's a basic psychological practice. And maybe we're not conscious of that.
If you are on part of the people who are so fervently convinced that they are good and right, and everybody else is, racist or horrible or whatever, that form of tribalism of us versus them, that's what all our institutions are doing.
People are wise enough to know that you're not gonna get anywhere in this society if you are not considered a good person, and so I have lost the ability to have political or meaningful conversations with half my family, with half my cousins, with half my siblings, with I'm sure half of all sorts of things, half my friends and so we've all experienced that.
I don't assign bad qualities to them. I'm simply saying I understand it, but at a deeper level, they know they're wrong. They know they're wrong because what they're doing is that pretending that they're the ones that are right and moralistic and they're on this high horse of self satisfaction because they're helping minorities. Look, I'm with the good people, and it's not enough just to be with the good people. You have to show you with the big good people by hurting the bad people.
That I think the elites in Canada are completely incorrigible that you can't correct them, and I don't know how you replace them, but they're all have fallen for this wickedness where it's not just good enough for them to think that they're better than everybody else, because oh no, I believe what indigenous elders say, therefore I'm better than someone who questions them. It's that they're wanting to punish.
I really think, and many people have said this to me. There was so much hatred for me at first, and I even recently in the election, I think if some people were allowed to do this, that they would draw and quarter me, that they would hang me for being for denying what they consider their truth, which is an absurdity, which is the teachers in residential schools, like in Kamloops murdered half your students.
Robert Vaughan:
Well, I agree with you is as a matter of fact, if you go back to the COVID era and you look at some of the headlines, for example, in the Toronto Star about what people would do to the people who didn't get the shot. You're absolutely right. The vast majority of people in any society, I would venture to say, would do harm to you if told to do so or allowed to do so.
Jim McMurtry:
You said at the beginning, Robert, that whenever I went out that the police were with me, but every single day people said I was there's a hate crime committed by this guy carrying this sign. And again, all it said was "end land acknowledgments," and the police stood with me.
One day I had three cop cars. And there were always people who were trying to do something against me. And I kept saying to the police, do you not see what's happening here? You didn't investigate Kamloops five and a half years ago. You, the police did not do what you're supposed to do. There's a claim of mass murder of children. And for you not to dig or not to investigate is iniquitous. Saying to the police that really what you should be doing is being honest with yourselves. You're not here to protect me from these people because you're letting these people attack me on a daily basis.
Robert Vaughan:
I suspect, Jim. I suspect that those police officers who were there were simply waiting for somebody to cause a physical altercation and then arrest you for instigating it. Was that possible? They're not there to protect you. They're there to potentially arrest you.
Jim McMurtry:
Well, you're a difficult host for me because everything you say, I really like. So I can't argue with you on anything. You're absolutely right.
Again, and so what I did is I went have a friend who helped me early on, university professor. I didn't know she'd become famous. Frances Widdowson, who's
Robert Vaughan:
I've met Frances. Yes.
Jim McMurtry:
Well, she's been carried out, and students are trying to hit her, kick her, spit on her, blow whistles in her ear. I mean, it's just awful. Throw smoke bombs at her, light her up, throw substances on her, just everything.
And I'm there in the mix, and these are all university students. One time it was so bad, they carried Frances off. She had done absolutely nothing wrong. They carried her in the air, put her in police officer, and the rest of us are kind of looking around. Okay, what do we do right now? We're surrounded by a thousand people. They put us in the UBC swimming hall or where their swimming pool is, and the crowd was so big they start banging on the windows, and the police were so worried about it. They had us walk by all the swimmers out the back door into a bus, and then the bus got surrounded.
These are university students. Yes, they would have killed some of us if they could, and they've been misinformed. They simply, but this is what Hitler did when I went to universities.
There was no way that they wanted in any way for an idea to pierce through that armor of hatred that they had built up and they and directing toward us. We couldn't get through to your average student because they are creating militant students, they're creating armies of woke lunatics, brown shirts and black shirts, Maoists who are wanting struggle sessions every day at school and their idiot classes on DEI or whatever it is.
So, yeah, I'm a person that believes that it isn't the people at the top, it really make the change. It's and the but they say a small group of committed citizens can change the world, people like you, because I think the people who have these podcasts that social media influencers like you, I think are incredibly important.
Robert Vaughan:
Jim, it's been a pleasure. Before we go, how can people discover you on social media?
Jim McMurtry:
Well, if they put my name Jim McMurtry in Google, it will come up. But I'm on X, and I think people would be happy to see that I'm completely unrestricted in what I say.
Robert Vaughan:
Thank you, Jim McMurtry. It's been a pleasure.
Jim McMurtry:
Mine too. Thank you so much, Robert. God bless.
Bob Metz:
So will our politicians and bureaucrats continue down the path of land acknowledgments, or will they consider changing direction and try acknowledging the truth instead?
Irrespective of what they choose to do, of course. We shall again continue to pursue the truth when you join us again next week as we continue our journey in the right direction. And until then, be right, stay right, do right, act right, think right, and be right back here. We'll see you then.
Clip (Steven Wright):
I've been arrested several times. I can't wait to be arrested and go all the way to the witness stand. Do you swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Yes. You are ugly. See that woman in the jury? I'd really like to sleep with her. Should I keep going or you're gonna ask me questions?